I'm not trying to rant, it might seem like that tho. I'm wanting to hear opinions on this. My thoughts: Ofc we know EFT has a high learning curve, we accept that. I knew that, I was playing with that mindset. Everyone said get to lvl10, so u access the flea market, and access everything in the game. I was so hyped about that. There were some guys telling me don't put too much thought into it, since it will only be a money sink. But I didn't care. Doesn't it sound like a good thing, right? U can sell barter items for nice money, and u have access to all weapons and attachments. Well, turns out the bad guys were right. It's too late now. I am by no means and experienced player, but regarding the current state of the game and matchmaking, I doubt I'll ever be. I started playing late in this wipe, I had a friend who just babysitted me, he was playing Tarkov already, so I got my quests quicker, it shortened the learning curve, and all that. I got 10, and started buying loadouts off the market. It costed me a lot of money, but I thought of that as an investment. Turns out it was a bad investment. I had to experience that the loadout I was using was just as crappy as the loadouts I used previously. I had no chance against real-geared people. I was using penetration ammo aswell, so I also paid attention to that. Didn't work out. I don't really have gearfear, I used to do, but really in the beginning. That means I was continuously buying gear off the market. It was really a money sink. There are a lot of circumstances in this game that u cant control regarding your death. I bought weapons that I didn't even get to use, since ofc we know u can just be onetap headshotted from anywhere, but its a part of the game, ik. No problem with that. What I think there are problems with: -Matchmaking: It is beta, ik. But they literally implemented everything before any type of rough ranking system. How are you supposed to learn such a skill-based game, if you have veterans all around you, not even letting you the chance to do something other than hiding and looting when possible. -One thing I never could accept about EFT, the Recoil control skill. Like come on, what the fuck even is that? In a simulator game? Its a joke. But the problem with it is that it really makes nearly every gun a lazer, so in addition to your unpenetratable gear, u also don't have to worry bout recoil. I can't understand the point of this mastery/skill. -Wipes. Constantly wiping is not a way of balancing a game, or it is, but a really ignorant one. I have a feeling BSG is gonna change it before full release. You do everything for what? To lose it? From a point of view of helping starters it could be good, but in reality, its not doing much since veterans and experienced players will reach lvl10 in about a day, know all the good loot runs/ways to make money, and will crush you while you try to work your way to lvl5 the first week. They gain the advantage, and they skyrocket again. This is a complicated game. There is nothing to help you but the internet, and other players, concerning information. But can you actually improve at the game? Not really, if you ask me. You can't figure out nothing new, people are already doing that since they been playing since day1. Can you practice PVP? No, there is no way. As a starter you don't even stand a chance in pvps. I couldn't consistently win fights after lvl10 neither, cuz I couldn't afford the meta gears. If you could, others would still have an edge on you due to knowing the map better, knowing spots, etc.. But thats something you need to learns so thats ok. Solution to money shortage: scav money runs/hatchet runs(most ppl and BSG hate hatchet runners but they really the ones making them have to hatchetrun). Scav runs are dull as fuck, since you also don't stand a chance with your makeshift half-complete AK with a 10round mag. Time and trials make you better, thats what people say. I just fail to see in what way does it make you better. In other games like R6,CSGO (aim-related), it does, since u can practice PVP without a risk. Milsims? Arma also lets you practice, it has a whole gamemode for testing and experiencing a game. Let's not talk about the MMO part of this game since the quest descriptions are so poor that if its your first time doing it u just check it on the web, if you done it before u do it off what u remember. All other parts of the game are so well-developed its astonishing, but this factor really makes it enjoyable for the upper 1%, meaning the experienced players. I expect some people to say "they all been there, I been there". I know that damn right. But was it fun for you? A game shouldn't be such a struggle for such a long time. The point of MMO's is that it gets harder the further you get, while also being challenging in the beginning to an extent. Metin2 is a great example, I doubt that many players will know that but it is impossible for a high-level player to grow and advance in a space that is meant for starters to level up. This game fails to implement this aspect, meaning all the "high-levels", the experienced players are sharing space with the new guys, and ppl like me that are not really starters, they understand how the game works, but never actually had a chance to improve their skills in practice, in reality. Please convince me its not like this, because thats what I see in it as of now.
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[D] Influence of Cyberpunk 2077 release on the market
Sales, Battlepasses (including other naming shemes like operations) or releases can have a impact on the market, which lasts mostly just for a short amount of time. Cyberpunk 2077 is one of the most anticipated titles to get released. This should mean, if the game equals the expectations, that many many people will sell items to purchase it on steam. What do you expect for the csgo market?
For people who want to cash out the amount to get cyberpunk.
For people that might want to take the opportunity to invest.
I expect that Cyberpunk 2077 has a bigger influence than recent sales. Sales are not what they used to be. The discounts in sales mostly equal short per game discounts between the sale events (like summer or winter sale) and there are often no real suprises. Basicly steam sales are nothing really special anymore, which leads to less people selling items. The last operation had a big influence over the csgo market. For example the breakout case dropped from 28 cents (Euro) to 20 cents. The AK Redline (FT) dropped from around 12 Euro to a bit more than 10 Euro. I would rate a new operation as a higher impact, because it is directly connected to the csgo market. Cyberpunk 2077 has a lot of hype and if the game comes close, equal or even exceeds the expectations it will definitely a be on top of the steam charts for some time. I assume that low value items and items that come close to the price of the game will see a good dip shortly before and maybe a week or two after the release. I coubt it has as much influence as a new operation. That pushes me to the conclusion to sell items in the close future if you want to sell items for the game and that it should be a decent opportunity to invest in lower valued items like major items, cases, or high volume skins. Again the example of the breakout case, which dropped almost 30 percent because of the shattered web operation. It should definitely be a good investment opportunity if you already have cash on steam or sell now and reinvest during the release. The effect could be way smaller if you want to add fresh money, since the dip could be less powerful than just buying on 3rd party sites.
In a pre-shadowkeep interview, Luke Smith stated that "it's easier to make the numbers work when you're independent". Yet, Y3 EV is worse than Y2 or Y1. What gives?
Source for the quote btw. (Happens at about 21:10) Full Article: Destiny 2's next year will depend on how players like this one full quote: Jason Shreier, "Yeah is it fair to say that you guys, now that you're self publishing and no longer have to be beholden to your [partners], Is it fair to say that you're happier with lower profit margins, lower playerbases than you might've been a year ago?" Luke Smith, "We're gonna be happy when we get to keep makin' the thing. y'know, we look at our team and we have a real responsibility to make something that's awesome for our fans that allows our team to keep doing it. And, without thinking too much about the profit margins and the numbers, it's certainly easier to make work when you're self publishing; and that aligns really good with like "hey, lets focus on the people who love this game, and y'know, our core players are our advocates, so lets build something awesome for them. Something we're all gonna love, and make it easier to recommend the game to their friends," that's the whole point of what we're trying to do, [...]". There's more, but it's not quite relevant to the above quote. Dispelling the notion that Bungie isn't making money -Bungie made the steam top selling list, as did R6S, CSGO, DOTA2, Warframe, Sekiro, GTAV, PUBG, MH-W and more. Not only did Bungie make this list, it put itself on it in three months, when most of these games have been on here years Here's the list, but it's not in any particular order. (It seems to change every click) Some estimated revenues for these games. (Numbers are not likely to be accurate, but they DO give us the ballpark we're playing it. It's huge, btw) CSGO: approximately $414 million in 2018, and rising higher and sharper with each passing year. R6 Siege: approximately 440 million in 2018, and climbing every year PUGB: approximately $1.028 Billion in 2018. MH-W: approximately $467 million in 2018. _____________________ So what do Bungie's prospects look like? The 3rd best selling game of 2017 Activision received $370 Million from Destiny in 2018 at roughly the time of the split, and before the announcement that they'd move to steam, Activision was expected to lose anywhere from $300-$374 Million in 2019 by dropping Destiny in 2019. Activision is expected to miss out in$496 Million from Destiny in 2020 ______________________ Under Activision, Bungie earned about 20-35% of the total revenue of the Destiny franchise depending on the revenue generated. So, if the 370 Million number for Activison's 2018 earnings is correct, that means Bungie earned around $74M-$130M in revenue in 2018. I couldn't find a good post-SK number for 2019, but thanks to the steam list, we have a good idea of the money gained; a ballpark figure of around $400 Million. Eververse was originally introduced to make Activision more accepting that D2 wouldn't be coming out in 2016, hoping to make up some lost revenue. So while these numbers likely are not exact or completely accurate (aside from Bungie's/Activison's split of the cash), they do give us a useful ballpark to see where Destiny's money-making ability lands. In other words, Bungie is probably making a shitload of money from Destiny 2, and several times more than they used to when they were with Activision. On top of this, up until Season of Dawn, Destiny 2 was hovering between the 3rd and 4th most played game on Steam every day. Typically hitting anywhere from 150k-200k until around November, where the numbers hover more around 130k. Destiny 2 is one of steam's most played games of 2019, and the largest the playerbase has been since launch. Not only is Destiny 2 purchased a lot, it's played a lot! Yet, the game's content has received less rewards than ever before. These number's don't say anything about profit, but they are far far greater than Bungie was making with Activision. If they aren't profiting, something's up. Dispelling the notion that EV is currently funding content for the game. During year 1, the game received a plethora of free content. -Iron Banner always had new armor and guns -Trials always had new armor -Factions actually existed, and received new armor -In Season 2, (Curse of Osiris), the game received a bunch of cosmetics AND gameplay items for FREE, in the form of nightfall rewards. On top of this, the Contender's Shell came out, which occasionally dropped bright engrams (Lootboxes) after raid encounters. -In Season 3, this continued. Factions each had their own exotic ornament tied to them, as well as Zavala's own exotic ship available from rank-ups. -Lootboxes still dismantled into bright dust, the prismatic matrix was introduced, and all EV items were obtainable just by playing. -Spire of Stars contained not one, but TWO emotes. One was luxurious toast, the other a "pass the ball" emote. -S3 also saw the whisper mission, which had it's own ship introduced from a puzzle. It was later revealed in the director's cut that Whisper had roughly fully funded Zero Hour on its own, at a time when the playerbase was rather weak. a Handful of free new maps were also introduced. -the Mars open world also had its own exotic sparrow for finding all of one of Mars's collectible, and the Moments of Triumph contained an exclusive exotic ship. -In both S2 and S3, Crucible and Vanguard received new armor ornaments, S2 being mostly reskinned while S3 being the most extensive model changes. ____________________________ -In season 4, Crucible received a new armor set, and a new Vendor (the drifter) was introduced. Vanguard received an old world drop touch up for new armor. Two new guns (might've been 3?) were given to Zav/Shaxx. Four new pvp maps were introduced -There were a handful of cosmetics that were introduced, but all but the Taken Sparrow were legendary model touch ups or D1 imports. Two of the armor sets introduced in Forsaken were D1 imports with minor detail changes. -Iron banner received new guns and armor, but Trials and Factions were nowhere to be found, to this day. -In S4, EV grew greatly. Legendary weapon ornaments were introduced, as well as ghost projections. New emotes, ships, ghosts, and sparrows were all more detailed and intricate than ever before. -S5, Black Armory, saw the removal of Seasonal Vendor Refreshes, as well as the removal of the prismatic matrix. However, IB still saw new armor, and there were SEVERAL exotic cosmetics to be earned in game. -In S6, we'd received our first real batch of "Silver only" items. earned exotic cosmetics were nowhere to be found. -In S7, this trend continued. no new IB armor or guns, all of menagerie was touched-up old items, some from D1. The raid weapons were reskins. Earned cosmetics were legendary reskins/touchups. Not only was the EV stocked full, it had DOUBLE the unique exotic items that S6 had, and EV was basically the only source of new items in the game. -event and seasonal bright engrams with new items no longer existed in S7 __________________________ -In S8, bright dust was moved to single-time bounties, with the repeatable bounties offering a minuscule quantity of dust to be ineffectual. -Raid armor was reskininned and tocuhed up S2 eververse armor -For the first time in a major, yearly Destiny release, Vendors were not refreshed -World loot was not updated. -bright engrams continued to not drop new items, and items you did get didn't turn into dust -The season pass was introduced as another monetization path for Bungie. while technically "earnable" it's an extension of the EV in that the items in it can be acquired through silver purchases of a level. This is why they've put actual new and cool items in it, because they still have a chance to make an extra buck off of it. -No new iron banner guns, Trials and Factions still entirely missing. one single new map for pvp. -In S8, it appeared that all of the items that were meant to be achievement based items were not in fact in the game, but had been put into the Eververse store. This was technically untrue, but still fits the complaints since launch (thread not actually since launch but summarizes it best) that game-relevant items being in the EV only and not the game fucking sucks. This is something that Bungie has not only understood in the previous years and seasons of D2 quite well, but also in their previous online games, not just Destiny 1. See Halo Reach's original unlock system, and Spartan customization as a whole. Looks matter, and Bungie knows it - especially in a game about loot. -the prices for EV cosmetics are through the roof, typically being more than the season itself. -BOTH NEW STRIKES DON'T EVEN HAVE EMBLEMS, LET ALONE UNIQUE LOOT -In S9, there is a single new armor set in the game. Iron Banner S1 has been reused again. a single old pvp map reintroduced. there's rumblings of trials being worked on, but factions are still completely missing. -EV is slightly better. a measly 80% (up from 50% in SK) of items will be available for bright dust, compared to the 99-100% we could get from dust or engrams just months ago. -For every new exotic released since SK, an ornament for it was immediately available for silver only, with an EV splash page asking you to buy the ornament, often before you've even started the quest. _________________________ -In year one, for all its faults, EV seemed to actually fund stuff. There was new vendor gear each season, handfuls of new weapons were added to the world loot pool, and all EV items were earnable! -In year 2, EV grew, and the game was cut back a bit. It still brought in new stuff for IB, vendors were refreshed once in Forsaken, but as the seasons went on content soured, and EV grew. -In Y3, EV is bloated. new item releases are minimal, while Macro-transactions are new every month. In S9, the game had a single new armor set introduced for each class, while the eververse contained 2, maybe 3 depending on if you count the season pass as EV, but it's certainly not pure gameplay. In short, Eververse no longer funds new free content. It did in Y1, and somewhat less so in Y2, but absolutely doesn't in Y3. Does it fund updates? -In Y1, we had full month-by-months roadmaps of where the game was going, with each month having a list of features for the future that Bungie was hoping to complete and ship. This is no longer the case, with roadmaps being for when we're finally no longer gated out of content, rather than new features. -In Y2, we didn't get regular gameplay updates like we did in Y1. We did get balancing every 3-4 months -In Y3, we've gotten balancing every 3 months, just like Y2. Armor 2.0 was introduced, as well as finishers (more EV cash) and a nightfalls update that didn't even update old nightfall loot into random rolls. I'd also argue that Gameplay updates like A2.0 were included regardless of EV. Even in D1 gameplay updates were brought in through the expansions before the EV even existed. -To this day, bungie still takes an inordinate amount of time to do even minor tweaks and touches. Dispelling the notion that Destiny 2 is free to play We still pay for new content. Seasons and Expansions, are all paid. Destiny 2 is free to TRY, but if you want to actual new and fun and relevant stuff, fork it over. In closing/TL:DR Bungie is making more money as an independent studio than they've ever been with Destiny. If EV had stayed the same, they'd still be making 3-4x the amount of money they used to simply because they're independent now. Yet, EV is in my opinion the worst it's been over the years, with new loot being a small pile while EV sits on a mountain of items, being updated several times per season while the actual game struggles to be updated ONCE per season. Bungie is putting the bare minimum into the actual game, while their storefront takes all priorities. Cosmetics are part of the loot game too, just like guns, yet even so much as armor ornaments without a silver string attached are nowhere to be found. By Luke Smith's own admission, it's easier to make the numbers work when you're independent. It clearly doesn't need to be this way. Eververse is genuinely eating away at the resources for a very core part of Destiny - its items. Filling content with worthwhile rewards, especially at the top prestigious end, is being denied and consumed for more macrotransactions. So, what gives Bungie? Are you actually building a game we all enjoy and want, or a storefront with a game attached to it? Other fun, useful, and somewhat relevant threads on the state of EV and how it feels to play with throughout D2's life and recency: 'Curse Of Osiris:' Eververse And Bright Engrams Feel Like They're Slowly Breaking 'Destiny 2' Bungie (Luke Smith) :"We need to make strikes more rewarding!". Also Bungie :"Let's give the 3 new nightfalls no nightfall specific loot" As a day 1 player, I have spent about 160 bucks for this game and almost all its dlc. Having to pay upwards of 10 bucks for the coolest cosmetic items (which I can't earn through gameplay) doesn't give me the feeling that my money was well spent. Very simply, Bungie: buying gear will never — ever, ever, ever — feel as good as earning gear. Putting so much in Eververse is making your game feel worse. So iron banner gets an armour set recycled for the 2nd time, shaxx and zavala will be dropping the same thing for the last 15 months now but Eververse will be fully stocked for the season, the dawning and crimson days. This is beyond absurd Eververse is broken. There's 11 new exotic sparrows and ships this season, not a single one is earned, they're all from eververse Hey Bungie just a heads-up, $15 for an ornament isn't considered a MICRO transaction "Create sustainable player progression and chase through Destiny 2’s Bright Engram" -Senior Progression Designer, Bungie Career Listings We’re at a point where Tess Everis gets a significant refresh every season but Zavala, Shaxx, Dead Orbit, New Monarchy, FWC, and world drops get nothing. Destiny 2 wins "Buyers remorse" award at The XboxOne Game Of The Year Awards 2017. The Harpy Shell should have been either a raid drop or a vex offensive drop. Bungie Continuously Beats Its Playerbase To A Pulp
If Raid Shadow Legends is not pay to win, then no game can ever be pay to win.
If you're unfamiliar with RSL, it's a mobile gacha game, meaning all progression is tied to lootboxes and lootboxes within lootboxes, daily logins, weekly quests, time limited events and store sales. It gained notoriety for being one of the few sponsors for small to medium sized Youtube channels that paid pretty well, and therefore you would see their ads plastered over all of your favorite gaming youtuber videos. Let me get this out of the way first: the game is unequivocally pay to win, you can straight up buy gameplay affecting items for real money from the store and the advantages you get are significant (although even if the advantage was insignificant it would still be pay to win, i.e. League of Legends Runes) However, if you head over to /RaidShadowLegends and search for pay to win threads, you will get interesting, to say the least, arguments and rationalizations as to why the game cannot be considered pay to win. Here are some testimonies (real quotes from real redditors)
Not only does that not answer the question as to whether the game is p2w or not, it seems to imply that a game having no monetary barrier to entry means that no, it is not pay to win.
This is a really dumb argument but it needs addressing because there is an interesting phenomenon going around in here. If you browse free to play competitive games that have a "win" condition, i.e. dota, cs, pubg, etc..., games in which you play in a pvp lobby and one side wins while the other loses, all of the major f2p competitive games have no pay to win elements in their gameplay. Dota 2 and CSGO only sell cosmetics, pubg, fortnite only sell cosmetics, etc... RPGs and MMORPGs by definition do not have a win condition, meaning they cannot ever be considered pay to win? that is preposterous, because that would basically give a free pass to almost every game out there that sells things like inventory spaces and extra rolls on gear upgrade attemtps. A more balanced and nuanced way to approach whether a game with no win condition is pay to win would be to consider if paying money would give you a competitive advantage relative to other players who have the same amount of playtime as you but who never spent a cent.
I have a huge problem with this argument. If an anticheat program had the algorithm set a rule that said that Player X is NOT cheating UNLESS the player has the EXACT movement patterns as another confirmed cheater, that would make for a punkbuster really crappy anticheat program. Anticheat programs usually flag people as suspicious and try to go for more false positives than accurate flagging, usually a human is behind all the flags to judge whether the flag was true or false, and from there on the algorithm is tweaked and the machine learns. If a game can only be pay to win if and only if they sell "op champs" on the store for "500 dollars" that would be a really easy thing to circumvent by publishers in order to not label their game as pay to win. here are some examples:
put the op champ in a lootbox, reward 1 lootbox per level up, infinite level ups but after level 100 it gets increasingly harder to level. Also put up lootboxes for sale at 10 dollars each.
Make a time limited event that rewards an op champ, you have to complete a series of challenges by playing the game within the event schedule, but you only get 3 chances daily to complete one challenge. Also sell extra chances for money.
Make a raffle box, you get 24 slots on a 4x5 grid, every day you get to uncover a single space, the event runs for 24 days exact and players are not allowed to uncover more spaces than one per day, one of the spaces contains an op champ, if you miss a single day you miss one space on the entire grid. You can pay to uncover spaces you missed during the 24 days.
You see the problem here? none of these 3 cases the game is selling the op champ straight up on the store for whatever much is the amount they want to sell you. I'd argue in fact that selling the champ directly on the store is less exploitative and shady than the 3 above scenarios.
4. "Is this game p2w? No. Is this game pay to play and pay to progress at a reasonable rate? Yes."
We come to the final quote I wanted to discuss. Once again, it seems "pay to win" has such a strict definition that no game can ever be considered pay to win. The redditor in question admits that yes, in order to progress through the game at a reasonable pace you have to pay. here's the thing, that is exactly what makes a game pay to win. No, you don't get a win condition, no, you can't pay 500 dollars to skip the entire game to reach the win condition, no, allowing you to obtain that through gameplay without paying doesn't mean the game is not pay to win, simply because the progression rate has to be reasonable. What is reasonable progression rate varies between gamers, however, it only varies within a range. There are insane people on RSL that have never spent a cent and got "5 legendaries in 1 month" and even the cultists over that subreddit had to admit that that was insane luck. For the average player, however, 5 legendaries in a month is only achievable through paying immense amounts of money. Is 5 legendaries a month a reasonable progression rate? I'd say yes, I'd say you should demand that from games, and I'd say anything less without paying is exploitative. Can you go 4 or 3? yes, but can you go 2, 1 or 0? no, I'd say that falls outside the range of what is reasonab le.
Hey guys, I decided to make a post one-off post today to see if there was any interest in the high tier skins that I am holding as I may need to liquidate one or two of them soon to help with my irl finances. If you have any REAL interest (no dreamers, no investment advice, PCs or whatever) feel free toadd my steamor toDM me on twitter. I have absolutely ZERO intention to go first on any trade. I feel my REP is good enough to not have to do so(see it here, please bare in mind I do not ask people to comment after trades normally.) Buyouts are in CRYPTO! I can take Bank transfer (as long as I get the right amount in the end.) Items (god tier katos, blue gems, as well as standard liquids) are accepted too.
Mostly looking for other csgo skins Feel free to add me or send me trade offers. I'm not paying extra for pattern or stickers, due to little knowledge about them. I am not looking to sell my items, but this felt like the easiest way to come up with a b/o, since I'm not interested in arcs anymore (I couldn't add the money b/o in the title, that's why it's still listed in arcs, but most of the time I will not be interested in pure arcs). Perhaps if you are a trusted trader I will sell my items for real cash to you.
Mostly looking for other csgo skins Feel free to add me or send me trade offers. I'm not paying extra for pattern or stickers, due to little knowledge about them. I am not looking to sell my items, but this felt like the easiest way to come up with a b/o, since I'm not interested in arcs anymore (I couldn't add the money b/o in the title, that's why it's still listed in arcs, but most of the time I will not be interested in pure arcs). Perhaps if you are a trusted trader I will sell my items for real cash to you.
Mostly looking for other csgo skins Feel free to add me or send me trade offers. I'm not paying extra for pattern or stickers, due to little knowledge about them. I am not looking to sell my items, but this felt like the easiest way to come up with a b/o, since I'm not interested in arcs anymore (I couldn't add the money b/o in the title, that's why it's still listed in arcs, but most of the time I will not be interested in pure arcs). Perhaps if you are a trusted trader I will sell my items for real cash to you.
Mostly looking for other csgo skins Feel free to add me or send me trade offers. I'm not paying extra for pattern or stickers, due to little knowledge about them. I am not looking to sell my items, but this felt like the easiest way to come up with a b/o, since I'm not interested in arcs anymore (I couldn't add the money b/o in the title, that's why it's still listed in arcs, but most of the time I will not be interested in pure arcs). Perhaps if you are a trusted trader I will sell my items for real cash to you.
Mostly looking for other csgo skins Feel free to add me or send me trade offers. I'm not paying extra for pattern or stickers, due to little knowledge about them. I am not looking to sell my items, but this felt like the easiest way to come up with a b/o, since I'm not interested in arcs anymore (I couldn't add the money b/o in the title, that's why it's still listed in arcs, but most of the time I will not be interested in pure arcs). Perhaps if you are a trusted trader I will sell my items for real cash to you.
Mostly looking for other csgo skins Feel free to add me or send me trade offers. I'm not paying extra for pattern or stickers, due to little knowledge about them. I am not looking to sell my items, but this felt like the easiest way to come up with a b/o, since I'm not interested in arcs anymore (I couldn't add the money b/o in the title, that's why it's still listed in arcs, but most of the time I will not be interested in pure arcs). Perhaps if you are a trusted trader I will sell my items for real cash to you.
Mostly looking for other csgo skins Feel free to add me or send me trade offers. I'm not paying extra for pattern or stickers, due to little knowledge about them. I am not looking to sell my items, but this felt like the easiest way to come up with a b/o, since I'm not interested in arcs anymore (I couldn't add the money b/o in the title, that's why it's still listed in arcs, but most of the time I will not be interested in pure arcs). Perhaps if you are a trusted trader I will sell my items for real cash to you.
Mostly looking for other csgo skins Feel free to add me or send me trade offers. I'm not paying extra for pattern or stickers, due to little knowledge about them. I am not looking to sell my items, but this felt like the easiest way to come up with a b/o, since I'm not interested in arcs anymore (I couldn't add the money b/o in the title, that's why it's still listed in arcs, but most of the time I will not be interested in pure arcs). Perhaps if you are a trusted trader I will sell my items for real cash to you.
Mostly looking for other csgo skins Feel free to add me or send me trade offers. I'm not paying extra for pattern or stickers, due to little knowledge about them. I am not looking to sell my items, but this felt like the easiest way to come up with a b/o, since I'm not interested in arcs anymore (I couldn't add the money b/o in the title, that's why it's still listed in arcs, but most of the time I will not be interested in pure arcs). Perhaps if you are a trusted trader I will sell my items for real cash to you.
Mostly looking for other csgo skins Feel free to add me or send me trade offers. I'm not paying extra for pattern or stickers, due to little knowledge about them. I am not looking to sell my items, but this felt like the easiest way to come up with a b/o, since I'm not interested in arcs anymore (I couldn't add the money b/o in the title, that's why it's still listed in arcs, but most of the time I will not be interested in pure arcs). Perhaps if you are a trusted trader I will sell my items for real cash to you.
Mostly looking for other csgo skins Feel free to add me or send me trade offers. I'm not paying extra for pattern or stickers, due to little knowledge about them. I am not looking to sell my items, but this felt like the easiest way to come up with a b/o, since I'm not interested in arcs anymore (I couldn't add the money b/o in the title, that's why it's still listed in arcs, but most of the time I will not be interested in pure arcs). Perhaps if you are a trusted trader I will sell my items for real cash to you.
Mostly looking for other csgo skins Feel free to add me or send me trade offers. I'm not paying extra for pattern or stickers, due to little knowledge about them. I am not looking to sell my items, but this felt like the easiest way to come up with a b/o, since I'm not interested in arcs anymore (I couldn't add the money b/o in the title, that's why it's still listed in arcs, but most of the time I will not be interested in pure arcs). Perhaps if you are a trusted trader I will sell my items for real cash to you.
Hey guys, I decided to make a post one-off post today to see if there was any interest in the high tier skins that I am holding as I may need to liquidate one or two of them soon to help with my irl finances. If you have any REAL interest (no dreamers, no investment advice, PCs or whatever) feel free toadd my steamor toDM me on twitter. I have absolutely ZERO intention to go first on any trade. I feel my REP is good enough to not have to do so(see it here, please bare in mind I do not ask people to comment after trades normally.) Buyouts are in CRYPTO! I can take Bank transfer (as long as I get the right amount in the end.) Items (god tier katos, blue gems, as well as standard liquids) are accepted too. 4x VP Holo Asiimov Set ST M4A4 Asiimov 0.18 4 VP Holos ST AK47 Asiimov 0.05 4 VP Holos Sadly the AWP was not for sale :( B/O 22000$ for the two (can sell separately) Reason Holo Katowice 2014 Unapplied B/O 15500$ C/O14000$ by Prodigy Karambit Case Hardened P7 #470 WW Screenshot B/O 8500$ Trade link for bot
Mostly looking for other csgo skins Feel free to add me or send me trade offers. I'm not paying extra for pattern or stickers, due to little knowledge about them. I am not looking to sell my items, but this felt like the easiest way to come up with a b/o, since I'm not interested in arcs anymore (I couldn't add the money b/o in the title, that's why it's still listed in arcs, but most of the time I will not be interested in pure arcs). Perhaps if you are a trusted trader I will sell my items for real cash to you.
Mostly looking for other csgo skins Feel free to add me or send me trade offers. I'm not paying extra for pattern or stickers, due to little knowledge about them. I am not looking to sell my items, but this felt like the easiest way to come up with a b/o, since I'm not interested in arcs anymore (I couldn't add the money b/o in the title, that's why it's still listed in arcs, but most of the time I will not be interested in pure arcs). Perhaps if you are a trusted trader I will sell my items for real cash to you.
Mostly looking for other csgo skins Feel free to add me or send me trade offers. I'm not paying extra for pattern or stickers, due to little knowledge about them. I am not looking to sell my items, but this felt like the easiest way to come up with a b/o, since I'm not interested in arcs anymore (I couldn't add the money b/o in the title, that's why it's still listed in arcs, but most of the time I will not be interested in pure arcs). Perhaps if you are a trusted trader I will sell my items for real cash to you.
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